Conversation with #poverty at 12/22/2009 11:03:52 PM on JeffM@irc.mizuumi.net (irc)
(11:03:52 PM) The topic for #poverty is: kensk is always right (Guy, Adon, Cody) confirmed | VP gets play, just find Shinobi if he ain't doing shit else. | Donjon Network for 12/20 is done. Thanks for listening fags!
(11:03:56 PM) Comic-Z: :<
(11:04:16 PM) Rithli: boom
(11:04:37 PM) Rithli: vee sav
(11:04:41 PM) JeffM: bee sab
(11:04:49 PM) Rithli: who u gonna use jeffm
(11:04:52 PM) JeffM: bulleta
(11:04:59 PM) Rithli: oh shi
(11:05:01 PM) LordKnight is now known as PrinceofForrest
(11:05:01 PM) Rithli: tier whore
(11:05:03 PM) JeffM: what
(11:05:04 PM) Rithli: j/k
(11:05:05 PM) JeffM: she S tier?
(11:05:10 PM) Rithli: yeah she's in top 4ish
(11:05:12 PM) JeffM: oh damn
(11:05:13 PM) Rithli: she's good
(11:05:23 PM) Rithli: you can play timeover-ing zoney style or full out rushdown
(11:05:25 PM) Rithli: or mix of both
(11:05:37 PM) JeffM: ahh
(11:05:53 PM) Rithli: only character in the game with double jumps
(11:05:53 PM) JeffM: game seems hard with all the links, but i cant say much yet since i havent really played
(11:05:59 PM) JeffM: oh yeah i noticed that
(11:06:08 PM) Rithli: yeah she's one of the characters that really makes use of link combox
(11:06:19 PM) Rithli: but you can still dominate w/o them
(11:06:47 PM) JeffM: ah, who do you play?
(11:06:49 PM) Rithli: you know how the game system works ?
(11:07:02 PM) Rithli: i play morrigan jedah demitri
(11:07:06 PM) Rithli: they all low ~ mid lol
(11:07:09 PM) JeffM: oo
(11:07:16 PM) JeffM: hmm well so far i know of tech hits and guard cancels and the OTG thing
(11:07:16 PM) Rithli: it was on accident though
(11:07:24 PM) Rithli: don't know tiers before i pick charas
(11:07:32 PM) K_|laptop: Same.
(11:07:34 PM) JeffM: ahh yeah usually the case for me
(11:07:38 PM) K_|laptop: I don't look at tier lists.
(11:07:45 PM) K_|laptop: "alright who do i like here?"
(11:07:48 PM) Rithli: you know about the chain rules yah?
(11:07:49 PM) JeffM: some ppl follow that so religiously
(11:07:56 PM) JeffM: no rithli
(11:07:57 PM) K_|laptop: "Oh hey, this character is pretty fun to play. I'll run with them."
(11:08:05 PM) K_|laptop: I like Lei-Lei/Hsien-Ko. Airdashes and cancelled DPs lol
(11:08:07 PM) Rithli: the game has capcom style magic series chains
(11:08:12 PM) Rithli: so you can go from weak ~ strong
(11:08:18 PM) Rithli: but you can't cancel into specials during chains
(11:08:25 PM) Rithli: you can only cancel into specials from raw normals
(11:08:31 PM) JeffM: oo
(11:08:33 PM) Rithli: assuming that normal is cancelable
(11:08:55 PM) Rithli: so usually, everyone's combos are something like lk mp mk sweep
(11:09:00 PM) Rithli: depending on range
(11:09:06 PM) JeffM: ah
(11:09:22 PM) JeffM: is bulleta's different?
(11:09:30 PM) JeffM: i seem to have so much trouble chaining with her
(11:09:30 PM) Rithli: nah she has that too but
(11:09:38 PM) Rithli: just gotta learn timing of cancels
(11:09:43 PM) Comic-Z: bulleta has some dash cancel bs
(11:09:43 PM) JeffM: ohh
(11:09:44 PM) Comic-Z: doesnt she?
(11:09:45 PM) Rithli: you can link normals though
(11:09:52 PM) Rithli: so you can fake chain into specials
(11:09:57 PM) JeffM: the timing is just pretty tight in general i guess?
(11:10:05 PM) Rithli: for example you can do something like lp, lp, mp 214p with bulleta
(11:10:06 PM) JeffM: compared to like mvc?
(11:10:09 PM) Rithli: and that will all combo
(11:10:14 PM) JeffM: ah
(11:10:16 PM) Rithli: nah, chain timing is not tight
(11:10:19 PM) Rithli: just kinda weird at first
(11:10:33 PM) Rithli: also the thing with vsav is every normal has massive frame advantage
(11:10:41 PM) Rithli: like an average lp will have like +8 on block
(11:10:44 PM) Rithli: +9 on hit
(11:10:47 PM) Rithli: something like that
(11:10:47 PM) JeffM: oh wow
(11:11:00 PM) Rithli: mp/mk's will have like +5 or so
(11:11:02 PM) Rithli: depends on character
(11:11:05 PM) Rithli: but they are generally that high
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(11:11:35 PM) Rithli: bulleta's got that straight dash where you can normal out of
(11:11:39 PM) JeffM: so jabs and shorts are usually the blockstrings?
(11:11:44 PM) Rithli: and the frames carry over in those dash normals
(11:11:54 PM) Comic-Z: oh so thats what that was
(11:11:56 PM) Comic-Z: ic
(11:11:57 PM) Rithli: so she's usually pressuring with those dash normals for +frames
(11:12:12 PM) Rithli: creating frametraps and etc
(11:12:34 PM) Rithli: yeah you'll usually stagger/fish with jabs and shorts
(11:12:44 PM) Comic-Z: JeffM
(11:12:47 PM) Comic-Z: just pick Sasquatch
(11:12:49 PM) Rithli: for +frame pressure or to provoke pushblock mashing
(11:12:59 PM) JeffM: oo
(11:13:15 PM) JeffM: pushblock mash is the tech hit thing right
(11:13:18 PM) Rithli: yeah
(11:13:46 PM) K_|laptop: lol sasquatch
(11:14:00 PM) JeffM: haha i think shizuka plays him already
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(11:14:14 PM) Rithli: you're gonna techhit if you play against the higher tiers
(11:14:21 PM) Rithli: or you'll never get out their pressure
(11:14:25 PM) JeffM: ooo
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(11:14:38 PM) Rithli: there's a lot of bullshit high/low/unblockable situations that are just unreactable sometimes
(11:14:44 PM) JeffM: does it have to be timed during hitstop?
(11:14:48 PM) Rithli: so you just gotta pushblock when they give you a chance when they poke and stuff
(11:14:54 PM) JeffM: ahh
(11:15:03 PM) Rithli: once you block an attack, you have a 12f window do the tech hit input
(11:15:16 PM) Rithli: depending on how many button presses you get, you have a different success rate
(11:15:28 PM) Rithli: if you get 6 within that window, you get a push block 100%
(11:15:40 PM) Rithli: 5 presses is like 75%
(11:15:49 PM) Rithli: you need atleast 3 to even get a chance
(11:16:02 PM) Rithli: thing is, it considers simultaneous button presses as one input
(11:16:05 PM) Rithli: so you have to hit other buttons
(11:16:11 PM) Rithli: so most people piano the input
(11:16:21 PM) Rithli: and the distance of pushblock depends on which button you end on
(11:16:28 PM) JeffM: ooo
(11:16:38 PM) Rithli: if you land on a fierce/roundhouse, you get the biggest pushback
(11:16:45 PM) JeffM: jesus
(11:16:52 PM) JeffM: that sound spretty hard
(11:16:57 PM) Rithli: i like to piano in this order: lk lp mp hp hk
(11:17:15 PM) Rithli: you get used to it
(11:17:28 PM) Rithli: some people like going from hp to lp since it feels more natural to piano backwards
(11:18:30 PM) JeffM: so do you do like left-to-right piano
(11:18:36 PM) JeffM: then press hk with your ring finger?
(11:18:41 PM) Rithli: yeah
(11:18:47 PM) Rithli: well i press hp with my ring finger
(11:18:53 PM) JeffM: then go down right?
(11:18:58 PM) K_|laptop: Pinky HK I imagine.
(11:18:58 PM) Rithli: and hk with the bottom joint of my ring finger
(11:19:02 PM) JeffM: oooo
(11:19:03 PM) K_|laptop: Or slide ring.
(11:19:31 PM) Rithli: if you lazy you can just mash one button a lot of block
(11:19:37 PM) Rithli: but you'll probably have less success that way lol
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(11:20:14 PM) JeffM: lol
(11:20:28 PM) Rithli: hmm what else
(11:20:29 PM) JeffM: oh ok i get the chain now its rlly easy actually haha
(11:20:34 PM) Rithli: yeah haha
(11:20:43 PM) JeffM: i didnt know i had to do it so fast
(11:21:03 PM) Rithli: oh yeah
(11:21:13 PM) Rithli: there's virtually no blockstun during airblock
(11:21:23 PM) Rithli: so you can almost instantly do an attack after airblocking
(11:21:32 PM) Rithli: so chickenblocking is kind of strong in this
(11:21:43 PM) JeffM: oh nice
(11:21:47 PM) Rithli: the counter most people use for that is doing air chains
(11:22:07 PM) Rithli: they'll randomly flop around in the air and input like lk mp mk hk or something in the air
(11:22:16 PM) Rithli: it's kind of option selecty
(11:22:19 PM) JeffM: ah
(11:22:27 PM) Rithli: they'll actually only get like lk and mk out
(11:22:28 PM) JeffM: if you air chain a grounded opponent, can you proceed with links afterwards?
(11:22:37 PM) JeffM: like on the ground
(11:22:44 PM) Rithli: but if an airblock happens they'll get lk mp and tag them out if they try to mash out of airguard
(11:22:50 PM) Rithli: yeah you can
(11:22:51 PM) JeffM: oh no way
(11:23:15 PM) Rithli: and you can also go for airthrow for chickenblock counter too
(11:23:21 PM) Rithli: but airchain is a bit easier
(11:23:26 PM) Rithli: since it puts you on the offensive
(11:23:45 PM) Rithli: w/o really thinking too much
(11:24:35 PM) Rithli: as long as they get hit or block the chain will happen
(11:25:26 PM) JeffM: ok
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(11:26:10 PM) Rithli: oh and just about all ground normals are air unblockable
(11:26:22 PM) Rithli: so a lot of chars can just one button anti air
(11:26:33 PM) JeffM: hmm
(11:26:35 PM) Rithli: or guard break after airstring
(11:26:50 PM) JeffM: do you know which one bulleta uses
(11:26:50 PM) Rithli: if you get them in a height where they couldn't mash out of airblock
(11:26:56 PM) Rithli: bullet has standing mk
(11:27:03 PM) Rithli: gotta space it a bit, but it's really good
(11:27:20 PM) Rithli: bulleta has pretty good normals in general
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(11:27:39 PM) Rithli: nobody in the game is really shafted in the normals department
(11:27:53 PM) Rithli: there'll be a lot of poking going on midscreen
(11:28:05 PM) JeffM: oo
(11:28:06 PM) Rithli: until they get in and run through the motions with their own patented bullshit/mixups
(11:28:15 PM) JeffM: :x
(11:28:17 PM) Rithli: it's how much of the matches will flow
(11:28:53 PM) Rithli: it's what makes it fun for me though lol
(11:29:07 PM) Rithli: like both aspects
(11:29:14 PM) JeffM: ah
(11:29:21 PM) JeffM: hey, what does the activate thing do for bulleta
(11:29:29 PM) Rithli: oh
(11:29:39 PM) Rithli: you can do her sonic booms w/o charging, i think
(11:29:48 PM) Rithli: a lot of people's activations aren't that practical
(11:30:04 PM) Rithli: but they have invincible startup so it can be used to get out of some setups
(11:30:24 PM) Rithli: you can hit the activation buttons again to get out of that mode
(11:30:35 PM) Rithli: i get it once in a while on accident while trying to go for tech hit
(11:30:40 PM) Rithli: since i end on hp/hk
(11:30:52 PM) JeffM: ohh i c
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(11:32:11 PM) JeffM: uguu links so hrd
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(11:32:23 PM) JeffM: how does bulleta pressure?
(11:32:30 PM) JeffM: i imagine with dashes right?
(11:32:37 PM) Rithli: yeah
(11:32:46 PM) Rithli: i don't play her myself
(11:32:57 PM) Rithli: but i see a lot of people try to approach with dash mp
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(11:33:08 PM) Rithli: has good range, lots of +frames
(11:33:20 PM) Rithli: if they block or get hit by it, your pressure starts from there
(11:33:20 PM) JeffM: that's the one where she trips right?
(11:33:27 PM) Rithli: she swings her basket
(11:33:51 PM) JeffM: oo i c
(11:34:11 PM) Rithli: i see bullets do like, dash mp
(11:34:28 PM) Rithli: if blocked, they go for like dash mk or dash lp to tag jump outs/pressure again
(11:34:47 PM) Rithli: and once they're like zero range, they either keep pressuring or go for command grab
(11:34:56 PM) Rithli: a lot of command grabs in this game have invincible startup
(11:35:10 PM) Rithli: so they's pretty effective
(11:35:19 PM) JeffM: oh shit
(11:35:23 PM) JeffM: that's the apple thing right?
(11:35:36 PM) Rithli: it's the one where she holds hands with you and spins into a tornado or something
(11:35:40 PM) Rithli: hcb p i think?
(11:36:13 PM) JeffM: oo
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(11:36:23 PM) JeffM: ahh ur right
(11:36:33 PM) JeffM: oh weird
(11:36:39 PM) JeffM: command throws dont have whiff animation?
(11:36:44 PM) Rithli: yeah
(11:36:49 PM) Rithli: a lot of them don't
(11:36:52 PM) Rithli: so you can options select lol
(11:37:02 PM) Rithli: if you fuck up, you'll get close mp
(11:37:12 PM) JeffM: lol
(11:37:13 PM) Rithli: and if they tried to jump out or something, they'll probably get tagged
(11:37:40 PM) Rithli: sometimes the grab whiffs happen though
(11:37:57 PM) Rithli: i'm not exactly sure what the dealy is with that
(11:37:58 PM) JeffM: oo
(11:38:36 PM) JeffM: looks like i get 214p if i whiff hcb+p
(11:38:44 PM) Rithli: ooh right
(11:38:46 PM) Rithli: command overlap
(11:38:47 PM) JeffM: close mp sounds so much better :x
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(11:39:12 PM) Rithli: her grab has 1f invinc but 2f startup
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(11:39:21 PM) JeffM: oh wht
(11:39:21 PM) Rithli: so if they get scared, they getting grabbed
(11:39:27 PM) JeffM: haha
(11:39:28 PM) Rithli: command grab that is
(11:39:38 PM) Rithli: so yeah, she's optimal as a pressure chara
(11:39:50 PM) Rithli: but you can maneuver around with double jump, shoot rockets and be annoying
(11:40:15 PM) Rithli: she's got an unblockable revolving around j.hk too
(11:40:16 PM) JeffM: lol
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(11:40:20 PM) JeffM: whatt
(11:40:21 PM) Rithli: in the corner
(11:40:46 PM) Rithli: like, in this game, there's a minimal frame gap when you transition from standing to crouch block
(11:40:52 PM) Rithli: i can't remember the exact number but it's small
(11:41:04 PM) Rithli: but it's big enough to let bulleta's unblockable to work
(11:41:16 PM) Rithli: like on oki, you go for meaty j.hk
(11:41:22 PM) Rithli: it's where she kicks the mine out
(11:41:31 PM) Rithli: if you time it right
(11:41:34 PM) Rithli: they can block the j.hk
(11:41:46 PM) Rithli: but they can't block the crouch.lk you land with
(11:42:26 PM) JeffM: oh wow
(11:43:40 PM) JeffM: that's so nasty
(11:43:50 PM) JeffM: does everyone have shenanigans like this?
(11:43:50 PM) Rithli: or something like that yeah
(11:43:54 PM) Rithli: i don't remember exactly
(11:43:59 PM) Rithli: umm
(11:44:02 PM) Rithli: i think that's bulleta specific
(11:44:07 PM) Rithli: cuz of how her j.hk animation is
(11:44:27 PM) Rithli: zabel has an unblockable j.lk if you time it right
(11:44:29 PM) Rithli: i forget why that worked
(11:44:41 PM) Rithli: lol
(11:44:46 PM) Rithli: vsav's got a handful of goofy stuff like this
(11:44:52 PM) JeffM: haha
(11:44:57 PM) JeffM: ive seen some of the infinites
(11:45:02 PM) JeffM: but what scared me the most was the pressure
(11:45:13 PM) Rithli: yeah you usually won't see the infinites
(11:45:14 PM) JeffM: shizuka showed me this one queen bee video
(11:45:19 PM) Rithli: but a lot of pressure based bugs are practical
(11:45:23 PM) Rithli: so you might get hit by some of those
(11:45:25 PM) JeffM: oo
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(11:46:15 PM) JeffM: queen bee looked like rufus pressure in like 4x speed
(11:46:44 PM) Rithli: q.bee is like magneto light
(11:46:57 PM) Rithli: wooo homing instant airdashes
(11:47:43 PM) JeffM: oh my
(11:47:48 PM) Rithli: yah
(11:48:05 PM) Rithli: hard to react to her pressure in standard turbo 3
(11:48:17 PM) Rithli: can't let her in or gotta get that techhit in lol
(11:48:32 PM) JeffM: lol
(11:49:34 PM) Rithli: oh yeah another goofy thing from this game
(11:49:46 PM) Rithli: some characters can rapidfire their lp's or lk's
(11:49:57 PM) Rithli: for some reason if you do that, the +frames increase
(11:50:08 PM) Rithli: so you can do confirm combos like this
(11:50:12 PM) JeffM: lol
(11:50:19 PM) JeffM: like
(11:50:27 PM) JeffM: rapid lps
(11:50:27 PM) Rithli: so yeah bullet's a character that has one of those
(11:50:31 PM) JeffM: then chain into mp or something?
(11:50:35 PM) Rithli: so she can do lp x 2, mp xx 214p
(11:50:55 PM) Rithli: not all charas have stuff like this that is practical
(11:51:04 PM) Rithli: but the ones that have it are pretty useful
(11:51:24 PM) Rithli: let me check data real quick
(11:51:40 PM) JeffM: oh my god
(11:51:44 PM) JeffM: yeah i just figurd it out
(11:51:57 PM) JeffM: lk x 2 makes the link to cr.mp so much easier
(11:52:00 PM) JeffM: how crazy
(11:52:01 PM) Rithli: ok, bullet c.lp is +5/+6
(11:52:11 PM) Rithli: but on rapidfire it becomes +8/+9
(11:52:17 PM) JeffM: lol
(11:52:21 PM) Rithli: so yeah lol
(11:53:04 PM) Rithli: i think the character that takes the most advantage of that is bishamon
(11:53:14 PM) Rithli: his strong bnbs are like all links
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(11:53:27 PM) Rithli: it almost looks like he's doing a chain into a special finisher
(11:53:31 PM) Rithli: but he's linking midway here and there
(11:53:36 PM) JeffM: lol
(11:54:06 PM) JeffM: i played a friend earlier for a few mins who used that char
(11:54:12 PM) JeffM: kinda hard to get inside
(11:54:21 PM) Rithli: he has similar pressure to bulleta
(11:54:25 PM) Rithli: cuz they have the same type of dash
(11:54:53 PM) Rithli: keep you in the corner forever style gameplay
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(11:55:00 PM) Rithli: until he gets meter and goes for unblockable loop
(11:55:19 PM) JeffM: lolll
(11:56:00 PM) Rithli: bishamon's c.lp becomes something like +10/+11 on rapid fire
(11:56:07 PM) Rithli: can't remember atm
(11:56:09 PM) Rithli: i should check
(11:56:17 PM) JeffM: oiiii
(11:56:31 PM) zeklipce: hi guys anyone knows where is the channel to play crucis fatal fake ?
(11:56:31 PM) Rithli: yeah +10/+11
(11:56:34 PM) Rithli: block/hit
(11:57:00 PM) Rithli: yeah when i first got hit by his combos i was like "uh, i thought you couldn't cancel out of chains wtf"
(11:57:20 PM) JeffM: haha
(11:57:38 PM) Rithli: oh yeah, some characters can link into combos from their dash normals
(11:57:48 PM) Rithli: usually characters with bulleta/bishamon style dashes
(11:58:19 PM) Rithli: afaik her infinite revolves around using the dash normals
(11:58:30 PM) Rithli: g/l pulling it off in a match though :x
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(11:58:43 PM) JeffM: lol
(11:58:50 PM) JeffM: i was trying it
(11:58:53 PM) JeffM: too crazy
(11:59:14 PM) JeffM: lp x 2, dash lp, lp x2, dash lp
(12:00:01 AM) Rithli: bap bap, bap, bap bap bap
(12:00:12 AM) JeffM: yeah
(12:01:01 AM) Rithli: hmm i dunno what else
(12:01:06 AM) Rithli: it'd help if i actually used her
(12:01:41 AM) JeffM: haha u already taught me so much
(12:01:43 AM) JeffM: thanks
(12:01:52 AM) Rithli: nppppp
(12:02:32 AM) Rithli: http://www.vampiresavior.com/index.php?categ=Combo¶m=&chara=2&color=1&active=0 check out this site
(12:02:37 AM) Rithli: has good info in genernal
(12:02:42 AM) Rithli: general*
(12:02:53 AM) Rithli: and framedata http://www.geocities.jp/shu180sx/savior/data-s/bulleta-s.html
(12:03:16 AM) Rithli: i learned a lot of my junk just experimenting what was on those 2 sites
(12:03:27 AM) Rithli: and then playing on ggpo or w/e
(12:03:56 AM) JeffM: oh sweet, thanks
(12:04:42 AM) JeffM: how do you fare against those ggpo guys
(12:05:02 AM) JeffM: everyone in ggpo seems so good im intimidated to even try playing those guys in the channel
(12:05:19 AM) Rithli: i do alrighty
(12:05:25 AM) Rithli: there's a handful that are pretty good
(12:05:42 AM) Rithli: if you really want to get destroyed play the jps
(12:06:18 AM) JeffM: lol
(12:06:23 AM) Rithli: if you want to see a pretty good us bulleta try looking for kenuran
(12:06:36 AM) JeffM: oo
(12:06:37 AM) Rithli: that guy usually owns me up
(12:06:40 AM) JeffM: ill keep an eye
(12:07:30 AM) Rithli: i dunno if jedahsministry has been around lately but that person's pretty good too
(12:07:38 AM) Rithli: i think those two are on similar level
(12:08:06 AM) Rithli: i don't struggle too much outside of those 2 guys i've played
(12:08:20 AM) Rithli: those guys just beast me for freeeee
(12:08:46 AM) Rithli: apparently there were some other players that were super beasty but i don't ever see them on
(12:08:54 AM) JeffM: oo
(12:09:24 AM) JeffM: imma watch these jps lol
(12:09:38 AM) Rithli: hm i kinda feel like playing
(12:09:42 AM) LOLINOM: 989898 anyone 98
(12:09:42 AM) Rithli: haven't played since random NEC lol
(12:09:52 AM) JeffM: haha
(12:10:48 AM) Rithli: oh yeah and psychotron
(12:10:53 AM) Rithli: that guy's bishamon is scary lol
(12:11:21 AM) Rithli: if you want to see what bishamon pressure + his unblockable loop looks like, play him lol
(12:11:29 AM) JeffM: haha sounds scary
(12:11:41 AM) JeffM: how's that zombie guy
(12:11:45 AM) JeffM: is he good
(12:11:49 AM) JeffM: l rapter?
(12:11:50 AM) Rithli: yeah super good
(12:12:09 AM) Rithli: top 4 is like sasquatch, j.talbain/gallon, l.raptor/zabel, and bulleta
(12:12:11 AM) JeffM: ooo
(12:12:20 AM) Rithli: er + qbee
(12:12:22 AM) Rithli: top 5
(12:12:30 AM) Rithli: not in that order though
(12:12:42 AM) Rithli: jps are saying the overal top is like zabel and sasquatch
(12:12:53 AM) Rithli: a bit more edge with zabel than sasquatch as of late
(12:12:54 AM) JeffM: oo
(12:14:32 AM) Rithli: i guess they feel that zabel is much more versatile overall compared to sasquatch
(12:14:37 AM) Rithli: even though sasquatch is pretty dumb
(12:14:45 AM) JeffM: haha
(12:14:53 AM) JeffM: that ino dash right?
(12:15:03 AM) Rithli: sasquatch used to be unanimous #1
(12:15:18 AM) Rithli: he's got like a hop dash
(12:15:25 AM) Rithli: that you can do overheads off of
(12:15:30 AM) JeffM: haha
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(12:15:36 AM) Rithli: but you can make that super quick by doing the short hop command
(12:15:45 AM) Rithli: you do like f,f,b
(12:15:49 AM) Rithli: and he does this really short hop
(12:16:01 AM) JeffM: lol
(12:16:07 AM) Rithli: so he gets a lot damage of crazy high low
(12:16:11 AM) Rithli: +command grab into combo
(12:16:16 AM) Rithli: and gdlk normals
(12:16:21 AM) Rithli: just overall beasty chara
(12:16:27 AM) JeffM: lol
(12:16:35 AM) JeffM: grab into combo sounds really nastyh
(12:16:47 AM) JeffM: wow felicia antiair and pokes look so good
(12:16:54 AM) Rithli: yeah her pokes her great
(12:17:07 AM) tenkai: oh damn
(12:17:07 AM) Rithli: she's like a watered down version of gallon or sasquatch
(12:17:08 AM) tenkai: vsav talk
(12:17:08 AM) setrajonas: sas is an asshole
(12:17:10 AM) setrajonas: for forever
(12:17:15 AM) Rithli: she's pretty good and has good tools
(12:17:18 AM) setrajonas: zabel's a close second though
(12:17:20 AM) Rayza: Sas is cool
(12:17:21 AM) Rayza: :(
(12:17:23 AM) setrajonas: zabel has godlike IAD
(12:17:24 AM) Rayza: blame Rithli
(12:17:26 AM) Rayza: I have character love
(12:17:27 AM) Rithli: but doesn't have a lot of blatant bullshit the top 5 does
(12:17:28 AM) Rayza: for Sasquatch
(12:17:30 AM) tenkai: Morrigan <3
(12:17:33 AM) setrajonas: lol
(12:17:34 AM) JeffM: ahh
(12:17:36 AM) Rithli: she's a good starter chara
(12:17:47 AM) Rayza: she's Ryu
(12:17:50 AM) JeffM: chara for honest player
(12:17:53 AM) Rithli: you can just fight with normals and do high low mixup
(12:18:07 AM) JeffM: jesus
(12:18:15 AM) setrajonas: lei lei is the best
(12:18:15 AM) JeffM: lilith combo too strong
(12:18:22 AM) setrajonas: haha lilith
(12:18:24 AM) Rithli: she has the short hop too but not as good as sasquatch's
(12:18:52 AM) setrajonas: i'll probably get around to trying anakaris some day
(12:18:58 AM) setrajonas: he'll probably make me cry
(12:19:01 AM) tenkai: Rithli, how does it make you feel that vsav will never have more than 100 people playing it in our country
(12:19:03 AM) Rithli: you're gonna be sad
(12:19:12 AM) Rithli: indifferent
(12:19:14 AM) JeffM: lol
(12:19:15 AM) setrajonas: i'm already sad
(12:19:17 AM) setrajonas: just watching chikyuu play anakaris
(12:19:18 AM) Rithli: not a new experience to me lol
(12:19:21 AM) tenkai: lol
(12:19:22 AM) tenkai: orite
(12:19:25 AM) tenkai: BLITZKAMPF
(12:19:28 AM) setrajonas: chikyuu too good
(12:19:28 AM) setrajonas: lol
(12:19:34 AM) mauve: as long as people play it at all who cares
(12:19:39 AM) Rithli: exactly
(12:19:42 AM) Rayza: Rithli
(12:19:47 AM) Rayza: apparently we might have blitz arcade setup
(12:19:49 AM) Rayza: in baltimore
(12:19:55 AM) Rayza: in a month or two
(12:20:00 AM) tenkai: Rayza is a liar
(12:20:01 AM) JeffM: oh yeah
(12:20:02 AM) Rayza: nope
(12:20:03 AM) Rithli: how about you might have a setup in my house
(12:20:06 AM) Rithli: for myself
(12:20:12 AM) Rayza: godlike
(12:20:13 AM) Rayza: I'm coming over
(12:20:22 AM) Rithli: bring the one you get in baltimore
(12:20:26 AM) Rayza: lol
(12:20:27 AM) Rithli: and install it in my house
(12:20:29 AM) JeffM: what's up with sataya and abk:aa
(12:20:34 AM) JeffM: did he really get it?
(12:20:45 AM) JeffM: i wonder
(12:20:46 AM) Rayza: this dude, like opened a cardshop//Fighting game venue
(12:20:55 AM) Rayza: and some guy's throwing a marvel cab in there
(12:20:57 AM) Rayza: and well...
(12:21:01 AM) Rayza: Naomi...
(12:21:16 AM) Rayza: PaikmanSTI has the Rom for it lying around
(12:21:28 AM) JeffM: aw
(12:21:35 AM) JeffM: so i guess sataya didnt get it if paik still has it
(12:21:42 AM) tenkai: probably
(12:21:47 AM) Rayza: he didn't
(12:21:50 AM) tenkai: hey jeff, wanna st in a bit?
(12:21:52 AM) Rayza: Jiyuna said he'd buy it at NEC
(12:21:54 AM) Rayza: he didn't
(12:21:54 AM) tenkai: or we could
(12:21:54 AM) tenkai: VSAV
(12:21:58 AM) JeffM: sure i can play for a few
(12:22:08 AM) tenkai: which game lol
(12:22:08 AM) JeffM: whichever
(12:22:11 AM) tenkai: BLAH
(12:22:14 AM) JeffM: lol
(12:22:22 AM) JeffM: lets play ST
(12:22:26 AM) tenkai: ok
(12:22:31 AM) Rithli: jackie chan
(12:22:34 AM) JeffM: !
(12:22:40 AM) JeffM: that needs to be GGPO'd
(12:22:43 AM) Rithli: you have to teach me that game the next time we meet
(12:22:47 AM) JeffM: too bad fba doesnt have support
(12:22:48 AM) Rayza: Rithli
(12:22:49 AM) JeffM: OK
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(12:22:54 AM) tenkai: YOU'RE GETTING BETTER
(12:22:54 AM) Rayza: it takes like five minutes to learn
(12:22:58 AM) Rithli: i like games where you're not allowed to jump
(12:23:01 AM) Rayza: I'm Jackie champ
(12:23:01 AM) JeffM: yeah~ its really fun
(12:23:12 AM) JeffM: hella easy transition from melty
(12:23:18 AM) JeffM: its like melty with emphasis on 2aaaaaaaaaaaaaa
(12:23:30 AM) Rithli: hey i'm already pretty good at the 2aaaa part
(12:23:31 AM) tenkai: you can't jump though!
(12:23:34 AM) Rithli: sounds great
(12:23:34 AM) JeffM: and the jump = death
(12:23:35 AM) Rayza: is Venom's voice actor Archer/
(12:23:44 AM) Rayza: oh damn it is
(12:23:46 AM) tenkai: Rayza: ggac venom?
(12:23:53 AM) Rayza: yar
(12:23:55 AM) setrajonas: haha what
(12:23:56 AM) tenkai: oh
(12:23:56 AM) setrajonas: that's awesome
(12:23:57 AM) tenkai: I didn't know that
(12:23:59 AM) tenkai: pretty cool
(12:24:00 AM) Rithli: if there's an aspect of my melty game i'm confident in it's my 2aaaa game
(12:24:05 AM) JeffM: lol
(12:24:05 AM) tenkai: I'd play Venom if he wasn't so hard to learnn
(12:24:11 AM) tenkai: or if he was a hot chick
(12:24:23 AM) Rayza: didn't look it up
(12:24:25 AM) Rayza: just heard it
(12:24:29 AM) Rayza: and was like "oh that is him"
(12:24:36 AM) JeffM: are you going to am6 rithli?
(12:24:43 AM) Rithli: prolly not
(12:24:46 AM) JeffM: ah
(12:25:03 AM) tenkai: oh
(12:25:04 AM) JeffM: BBG it is then! hehe
(12:25:04 AM) tenkai: yeah it is him
(12:25:08 AM) tenkai: just checked wiki
(12:25:14 AM) tenkai: he also played
(12:25:16 AM) JeffM: ill try to make bbg
(12:25:18 AM) tenkai: Seymour
(12:25:19 AM) Rithli: hehahaha
(12:25:20 AM) tenkai: in FFX
(12:25:26 AM) setrajonas: lol
(12:25:29 AM) tenkai: and Tseng in Crisis Core
(12:25:29 AM) tenkai: oh
(12:25:30 AM) tenkai: he's Lars
(12:25:31 AM) tenkai: in T6
(12:25:34 AM) tenkai: Vega in SF4
(12:25:35 AM) setrajonas: seymour was s real faggot
(12:25:36 AM) Rithli: weren't you going to be around here in january-ish
(12:25:43 AM) JeffM: yeah
(12:25:55 AM) JeffM: jan 7-11
(12:25:57 AM) Rithli: ho ho ho
(12:26:12 AM) JeffM: ahh
(12:26:14 AM) JeffM: thats in like
(12:26:18 AM) JeffM: 3 weeks!
(12:26:22 AM) JeffM: i cant wait
(12:27:15 AM) Rithli: dress warm
(12:27:36 AM) JeffM: like much more compared to nec?
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(12:29:11 AM) Rithli: yah
(12:29:34 AM) Rithli: real nyc winter has arrived
(12:29:35 AM) Rayza: it's actually winter now
(12:29:36 AM) Rayza: JeffM
(12:29:42 AM) Rayza: cold and windy
(12:29:48 AM) JeffM: oyaaa
(12:30:55 AM) JeffM: when we went out to that garbage chinese buffet in nec
(12:31:17 AM) JeffM: the cold wind was getting to me through my jeans
(12:31:26 AM) only_hal_wins: what chinese buffet
(12:31:31 AM) Rayza: garbage one
(12:31:34 AM) JeffM: yeah i forgot
(12:31:34 AM) only_hal_wins: where at
(12:31:37 AM) JeffM: it was really garbage
(12:31:39 AM) Rayza: it was at the plaza
(12:31:39 AM) JeffM: at the corner
(12:31:46 AM) JeffM: 11 bucks
(12:31:47 AM) only_hal_wins: all you can eat?
(12:31:49 AM) JeffM: yeah
(12:31:51 AM) only_hal_wins: lmao
(12:31:54 AM) only_hal_wins: why didnt yall take me
(12:31:56 AM) only_hal_wins: that place owns
(12:31:57 AM) JeffM: hahaha
(12:31:57 AM) Rayza: lol
(12:31:59 AM) Rayza: god damnit
(12:32:01 AM) Rayza: Hal would say that
(12:32:02 AM) Rayza: like
(12:32:05 AM) JeffM: joe drove
(12:32:07 AM) Rayza: Bell practically got food poisoning
(12:32:09 AM) Rayza: "this place rocks"
(12:32:11 AM) only_hal_wins: quantity over quality
(12:32:12 AM) JeffM: hahaha
(12:32:15 AM) Rayza: standard Hal
(12:32:15 AM) only_hal_wins: thats my motto
(12:32:18 AM) JeffM: dude everything was bad
(12:32:20 AM) JeffM: and old
(12:32:21 AM) JeffM: i mean
(12:32:24 AM) JeffM: we were there at 11pm
(12:32:35 AM) JeffM: i bet the foods been sitting there for over 5 hours
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(12:32:52 AM) only_hal_wins: just keep eating unti lthey bring out the slightly newer sushi
(12:32:58 AM) JeffM: lol
(12:33:05 AM) JeffM: i didnt even touch those
(12:33:18 AM) only_hal_wins: Iron Stomach
(12:33:23 AM) JeffM: ive never seen fish portions in the nigiri that tine
(12:33:25 AM) JeffM: thin*
(12:33:42 AM) JeffM: so thin you could see the rice through the salmon
(12:33:48 AM) JeffM: im not even joking
(12:33:54 AM) JeffM: and it was old sushi too
(12:33:57 AM) JeffM: so it was all brown and shit
(12:34:16 AM) only_hal_wins: ok
(12:34:20 AM) only_hal_wins: now THAT doesntsound fun
(12:34:20 AM) JeffM: flaked up on the sides
(12:34:27 AM) JeffM: yeah
(12:34:37 AM) JeffM: even the fruit was browning on the sides
(12:34:47 AM) Rayza: brown fruit is the best
(12:34:47 AM) only_hal_wins: dont they have like
(12:34:50 AM) only_hal_wins: poverty pizza
(12:34:53 AM) Rayza: w/e
(12:34:54 AM) JeffM: lol
(12:34:56 AM) Rayza: the Chinese delivery place
(12:34:57 AM) JeffM: i forgot
(12:34:57 AM) Rayza: was legit
(12:34:59 AM) JeffM: they probably did
(12:35:01 AM) JeffM: actually
(12:35:11 AM) Patchouli: Kind of hard to get pizza wrong
(12:35:11 AM) Rayza: I really enjoyed the two meals I got from them
(12:35:14 AM) Patchouli: You have to be trying
(12:35:17 AM) Rayza: you're joking
(12:35:21 AM) Rayza: it's easy to get pizza wrong
(12:35:25 AM) Rayza: Dominos for example
(12:35:26 AM) Rayza: wrooooooooooong
(12:35:57 AM) Patchouli: I will eat all the Dominos
(12:35:57 AM) JeffM: hey rayza have you tried making the pibil
(12:36:11 AM) Rayza: hell no
(12:36:14 AM) Rayza: recipe is beyond me
(12:36:17 AM) JeffM: i might do it for christmas
(12:36:19 AM) Rayza: I'm working on Chicken Kattsu next
(12:36:23 AM) JeffM: i wanna do half a portion
(12:36:25 AM) Rayza: I got a good burger
(12:36:33 AM) JeffM: dude that recipe is so easy
(12:36:34 AM) Rayza: need to add to my repertoire
(12:36:38 AM) Rayza: yeah, I just want basic shit
(12:36:39 AM) Patchouli: Even fake ingredients pizza is still great, it's pizza :V
(12:36:40 AM) JeffM: i think the hard part is just getting the ingredients
(12:36:40 AM) Rayza: and get good at it
(12:36:41 AM) JeffM: and prep
(12:36:41 AM) Rayza: level up
(12:36:49 AM) Rayza: dude
(12:36:51 AM) Rayza: I suck at cooking
(12:36:51 AM) Rayza: so ahrd
(12:36:53 AM) JeffM: im not even sure where to get legit annato
(12:37:06 AM) JeffM: haha the only cooking u have to do with that pibil
(12:37:13 AM) JeffM: was 425 for 4 hours in the oven
(12:37:22 AM) Rayza: wait
(12:37:31 AM) Rayza: I thought you were talking about MY dish
(12:37:34 AM) Rayza: not the pibil
(12:37:35 AM) JeffM: ahhh
(12:37:39 AM) Rithli: JeffM: if you ever wanna play vsav lemme knows
(12:37:45 AM) Rayza: which I admit is pretty basic
(12:37:47 AM) JeffM: ah
(12:37:49 AM) Rayza: it's basically fried chicken breast
(12:37:50 AM) Rayza: with a sauce
(12:37:59 AM) JeffM: ok rithli ill hit u up prolly tomorrow or something, thanks!
(12:38:13 AM) JeffM: ur katsu?
(12:38:19 AM) Rayza: my katsu
(12:38:51 AM) Rayza: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://pad3.wikihow.com/images/thumb/7/78/Chicken_katsu_866.jpg/260px-Chicken_katsu_866.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Chicken-Katsu&usg=__p2BKHdVSrxhLVlqsO3B9yNIV1sQ=&h=195&w=260&sz=18&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=DrccHes_qftRbM:&tbnh=84&tbnw=112&prev=/images%3Fq%3DChicken%2BKatsu%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DX%26um%3D1
(12:39:13 AM) JeffM: mmm
(12:39:18 AM) Rithli: yum
(12:39:26 AM) Rayza: I think I can do it!
(12:39:30 AM) Momiji: shoryu sauce
(12:39:34 AM) Rithli: chicken katsu's pretty easy
(12:39:38 AM) Rithli: you can do eet Rayza
(12:39:41 AM) Rayza: !!
(12:39:53 AM) JeffM: catsup
(12:40:00 AM) Rayza: also, I serve on Brocoli
(12:40:00 AM) Rayza: cause
(12:40:02 AM) Rithli: it's about getting the right level of crisp
(12:40:03 AM) Rayza: Brocoli is the shit
(12:40:05 AM) Rithli: and not making it too greasy
(12:40:11 AM) Rithli: that's just trial and error
(12:40:17 AM) Rayza: you could just fry it and then paper towel it right?
(12:40:42 AM) Rithli: you could